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Where does this idea that the employees of all non-profit organizations alike shall lead a public-transportation lifestyle come from? ICANN’s monetary resources do not come from war widows and pensioners, for ICANN to feel guilty about every penny that it spends on administration. Nor does its resources, wherever they come from, are any that are earmarked to be spent on famine relief or on basic health care for the most unfortunate.
ICANN’s legal status is non-profit, because it is so constituted as not to pursue profits like a Microsoft or a Toyota Motors. But it so happens that its role and responsibilities are larger than the largest of business corporations. ICANN requires the CEOs of a Microsoft, a Google and a Toyota Motors rolled into one to attend to the complexities in policy, and this applies in varied degrees to the positions of the Directors of ICANN Board and to the paid staff at every level of this Corporation who handle the tasks.
It is true that there are committed individuals who come forward to work for an ICANN or to develop standards for an IETF — individuals who are motivated, whose concern for monetary rewards are minimal, but why should the organization take advantage of these individuals’ weaknesses for the cause they volunteer to work for? If it can pay, it should. Besides it often becomes necessary on the part of non-profit Corporations, as large as ICANN, to be open to the idea of getting the required talent whatever it takes by way of compensation.
ICANN is transparent, its important decisions follow a certain process and this would ensure that there are no excesses or abuses in its status as a “Public” entity. But beyond constructive and meaningful participation why would anyone stretch the freedom to participate or question beyond acceptable limits bordering on a degree of trivial interference?
The gTLD rationale to charge a certain fee is criticized badly without going into the complexities of managing new gTLDs. (There are non-commercial entities interested in gTLDs, some exceptions could be made, but that is besides the point of the essence of this argument). What is often glossed over is the fact that ICANN, as a non-profit corporation, is doing business mostly with the profit oriented business, and even if it waives all fee for gTLDs to commercial entities who apply for gTLDs, the end user would invariably be charged the same commercial prices, sometimes fair and sometimes unfair.
IANA allocates address blocks at a negligible fee per address space, at less than a dollar if I am right, but do I as a user get an address space for a dollar, for five or even ten? At least one or two ISPs I have dealt with as a customer, bundled IPV4 addresses in their internet service plans in such a way that if I required an IPV4 address as a static address I would commit to pay as much as $500 a month (an entry level subscription plan for an internet connection with a static address and usually there are much higher plans). The price, on paper, is not for the IPV4 address but for a “dedicated internet connection”.
ICANN actually happens to be afraid of allowing revenues to come in. And what is ICANN spending what little money that it has on? Fellowships to enhance participation. And why is this criticized? I don’t wish to impute motives to everyone who comments on it, but merely would like to point out that any limitation placed on fellowships would result in a greater advantage for the affluent participants from affluent geographeries and affluent sectors.
I don’t understand the morality that inspires the position that ICANN should spend no money nor make any. ICANN carries out a huge task and it requires huge monetary resources to sustain itself and manage the Corporation. Is it desirable to reduce ICANN as an entity on a maintenance grant from the Department of Commerce? Or is there an even more imaginative suggestion such as an ICANN Foundation to send out weekly calls for donations from charities?
Whether or not intended, all this ICANN-bashing could possibly lead to a position where ICANN and other non-profit Internet Organizations are reduced to a position of even greater inability to resist the rich and powerful forces that propose to make the Internet what it is not.
Is it possible that all this is really not about ICANN but about Internet’s Resources and Internet’s capacity for profits for the private enterprise? Is it possible that all this is not against ICANN but against open and participative governance becoming the norm for the Internet?
Internet is an economic sphere of trillions of dollars, if truly measured for direct and indirect economic activity. ICANN handles Critical Internet Resources. It is necessary for ICANN to operate from Plenty, operate from Abundance, not from poverty. I move that ICANN becomes larger, I move that ICANN finds harmless ways of improving its revenues and move that it increases its program spending several fold.
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Just a clarification:
IANA does not charge any fees for IP addresses (or any other service for that matter). The RIRs voluntarily contribute to ICANN, but that is unrelated to the services IANA provides and the folks providing IANA services aren’t generally aware of whether any fees (or donations) have been paid (that is, IANA staff might know whether some entity has given money to ICANN because they heard about it during a public plenary or whatever, but that has nothing to do with whether or not IANA provides services).
Regards,
-drc
Hello David Conrad,
I didn’t know this. Thank you for the clarification.
And you are too quick to comment. And I kind of lost count of the number of “Hello X, I didnt know this, Thank you” emails you’ve sent in the past few months.
There’s a lot to be said for newbies (even newbies calling themselves an ISOC chapter president..) just keeping their mouth shut and lurking rather than trying to air their knowledge .. or lack of it.
And remember, when you sign yourself as an ISOC chapter’s president in all this nonsense, you are making it look like an official statement from ISOC. Which, I am glad to say it isnt, they have lots of people there who understand policy rather better than you do, thank god.
A quick course on economics (even 101 level) will come in handy - and perhaps another bit of knowledge .. that while it is cheap to get address space, it is quite a costly proposition to actually route that address space, to provide last mile DSL / cable connectivity and a bunch of other things you simply dont factor into that long winded “article”.
Yes, pricing could be lower due to incompetence of ISPs, monopolies in the market (such as existed in India about a decade back), etc. But if you think just because you can get netblocks cheaply from APNIC (not directly from IANA) that’s all there is to a pricing model for internet access ..
And, certainly, as an end user you arent going to get your single DSL IP, let alone connectivity for it, from APNIC.
I could go on and on but I am already late for dinner and dont have any more time to waste pointing out just how nonsensical this nonsense is.
In any case, at least stop signing yourself “president, isoc chennai” when you post, if the urge to post gets too much for you.
Suresh, It is a common misperception, one that (at least in my experience) has been actively encouraged by ISPs, that the Internet governance structures (RIRs and ICANN) impose significant fees which the ISPs must recover by passing those costs on to their customers. In my experience, ISPs have been quick to blame the RIRs and ICANN to justify their monthly(!) charges for static IP addresses. I personally have pointed out to at least residential ISPs that the reason they lost my business was because they told me the reason they charge at least $2/month/IP address was because "ARIN requires us to". The reality is that the yearly membership fees to the RIRs fade into the noise when compared to staff, bandwidth, equipment, etc., particularly given the RIRs essentially provide bulk discounts to larger ISPs. However, if you re-read Siva's article, you'll note that only one paragraph out of 11 relates to IP addressing. Furthermore, if you consider the RIR membership fees (of which a small portion is provided voluntarily to ICANN), Siva is correct: the _cost_ per IP address to the end user is negligible yet the _price_ can be obscenely high. Regards, -drc
Hello David Conrad, The $2/month/IP address which you have protested is minuscule compared to the way it is bundled here (at least by some) ISPs in India. As I have pointed out, it requires a plan that commits a minimum of about $500 /month for a user to be allotted a static IP address. And thanks for pointing out that my battle is not against ISPs, I don't see any of them to be against the Internet model. It was just an observation in the context of ICANN as a non-profit doing business with businesses who make profit. Thank you.
Monopolies (and in some areas, even stateside, its all cable isp X, or dsl isp Y) charge just what they want. And expecting tier 1 call center staff to know anything at all about ARIN is .. well, they have this nice little grab bag full of buzzwords they can throw around to convince people that no, they are not overcharging.
In developing countries that still believe the “MIT has more addresses than china” meme, or at least trot it out to justify why they need to manage their own IP space (aka the regulator, which then favors the state owned telcos..) - well, they might charge you 50 bucks rather than 2 bucks for a static IP and not blink.
All that has zero, zip, zilch etc to do with why ICANN, or IANA, or the RIRs should be spending more.
Kirikos - for all that I disagree with a lot he wrote in his article - made rather more sense than this guy does.